Negligence, Apathy, and Insensitivity
I recently spent several weeks in a BJC institution receiving a bone marrow transplant. The preparation and transplant itself went very well, and I was well looked-after. Beginning from the day of transplant, however, I was almost entirely ignored by the entire medical staff except for the bare minimum of contact.
I would call for pain relief, and on more than one occasion HOURS would pass (and several more calls) before a nurse would show up. I had to ask multiple times to have bed linens changed. Entire shifts would pass with only the receptionist coming in my room to introduce herself. The doctor would occasionally skip my room entirely on his rounds. At one point when he did stop in and I was doing poorly, he said, “You can’t die on my shift. I don’t care if you do on someone else’s shift, but not mine.” Joke or not, that’s a wildly inappropriate statement for someone to whom death is a very real possibility.
I was released long before I was in stable condition – I was still in pain, still exhibiting symptoms of graft-versus-host, and still entirely unable to eat anything but applesauce. Nonetheless, the staff decided they were done with me and sent me home. Two days later, I had to be readmitted. Thankfully, I was sent to a different floor, where the staff behaved much more professionally and responsibly.
The difference between the two floors was astounding. It proved that there ARE competent and capable nurses and doctors working in the BJC system – unfortunately, they were not the ones looking after me at the time I needed them most.
It seems to me that the best way to Make Medicine Better is to ensure the quality of service by its providers, a lesson that could be well learned by the bone marrow transplant floor.
Comment By: Tiffany Sewell
Date & Time: May 10, 2010 at 11:15 am
Nathan, if I may ask, what facility were you treated at? I'm sure the leadership at that location would like the opportunity to address the service failure you experienced.
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 10, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Nathan, I think it's great that you're putting this out there. Just curious…did you let anyone know this kind of thing was happening when you were in the hospital? Just curious because it seems that too many patients aren't comfortable sticking up for themselves while they are still in care.
Comment By: Gary Nowlin
Date & Time: May 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I have had several procedures done at BJC on Kingshighway. The best doctors are there, and the most advanced treatment is available there, and if you need something high-tech or new, it is the place to go. But without exception, the care I have gotten from the nurses has been miserable. I do not know if Barnes is understaffed, but the staff they have certainly acts as if they are understaffed, and as if they are under enormous pressure, and as if they are subject to unreasonable demands, and as if your particular need is the final straw.
Comment By: Jennifer Arvin
Date & Time: May 13, 2010 at 10:11 am
Nathan,
Thank your for sharing your experience and we apologize if there were some instances where we did not meet your expectations. It is our goal to take exceptional care of all our patients, and if we fell short we want to know about your experience so we can improve. A staff member from our guest and patient relations department will be contacting you to further discuss your stay.
Comment By: Debbie Debbie
Date & Time: May 13, 2010 at 10:36 am
Craig,I too was a patient who received poor care from the nursing staff post surgery at BJC on more than one occasion, with the exception of ONE nurse. In my case I didn't speak up because I was in the hospital because I was ill and in no condition or position to make complaints. A patient shouldn't have to.
I'm not going to use this space to rant about my lack of care because it was some time ago. I was hoping that things have improved. It appears they haven't.
Nathan, I pray for a speedy recovery for you. Take care.
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 18, 2010 at 9:08 pm
I don't understand what you mean by in no position to make complaints. Does that mean you were afraid to speak up. And if so, what were you afraid of?
Comment By: Nowlin Susan
Date & Time: May 19, 2010 at 7:57 pm
I do not like the way that Barnes Hospital treats me as a family member. My husband has been checked into Barnes Hospital several times. Each time, the nurses have turned to me, his wife, and ordered me out of the room during the check in process. I am not permitted to even wait nervously just outside the door; no, I have to go to a specific waiting room while my husband is put into his hospital gown. Each time it seems to be the high point in the nurses' day to order me out of the room. One time I tried to just wait outside the room because I just wanted to not be far from my husband, and a passing nurse, ordered, not asked, me to go to the waiting room. I am not talking about wanting to be there while a procedure or surgery was done, I am talking about just sitting in a chair while he gets into his hospital gown and is checked in, while the murses introduce themselves, that sort of event. I could understand being asked to leave if he coded and they were shocking his heart or something, but it is a part of the process to order the wife to leave while he is being checked it. It seems to me that the nurses could ask my husband which he would prefer.
Comment By: Debbie Debbie
Date & Time: May 19, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Craig, what I meant by being in no position to make complaints, I was referring to the fact that it was my second major cancer diagnosis. I was a little concerned about my future.
It's NOT about a patient lying there "sticking up for themselves". A patient is there to get care, not defend incompetence.
I certainly hope you don't work in a hospital setting.
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 19, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Debbie, I don't work in health care. And I've been a cancer patient myself. I hope you don't think I was being critical. It just sounded as if you were uncomfortable speaking up and my experience has been that it's always best if you do. I think people who work in hospitals for the most part are pretty committed to doing the right thing for the right reasons. And those who aren't seem to get pulled in line if someone will just speak up. I hope you're doing well. Cancer sucks and I can't wait for it to go away for us all.
Comment By: Chris Peters
Date & Time: May 20, 2010 at 12:59 am
Craig, I would love to help YOU…My son is going to Mayo from DENVER MONDAY,FOR A 3RD OR 4TH OPINION ON BLOOD CANCER…..
I did make a complaint TO BJC.,on behalf of my Mother, SOME 11 YEARS AGO; and they sent a social worker and threatened to have me arrested, if I did not take my Mom out of there right then…Her face was swollen twice its normal size…they must have pumped her up with whatever, that she was evidently allergic to…I told them to put her back in the condition in which I brought her in …and they threatened me….That is a great place to be when you are sick…Hey…??? You do not have to wonder why I have issues with the current medical system, and those who control all of it….It is a very sad state of affairs….Did you know that Doctors on Staff have to fill so many rooms every month to continue being staffed at a hospital??…This whole mess is not just what happened to me. Bad stuff seems to be happening more and more….I do not think a good PR person is going to be able to fix this….It appears to be widespread…I tastes the flavor of a company policy…..and makes it hard for the employees to work under……
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 20, 2010 at 8:09 am
Chris, I am truly sorry that you've been through so much. And I know as a father you'd rather be going through it yourself than to see your child sick. So I think I really get the anger. My experience though has been a little different and I've seen folks go the extra mile. Perfect every time? No. But I just haven't personnally experienced anything close to what you're describing anywhere I've ever been. As far as BJC goes if there was some dark conspiracy they wouldn't be creating this forum where folks like us can have these very public discussions. I'm not defending, just saying. And I've seen them use the insight to reach out to folks. Again, I'm totally sympathetic to you but maybe less tirade and more discussion could really move these issues that affect all of us forward. I truly truly truly hope your son is okay.
Comment By: Tiffany Sewell
Date & Time: May 20, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Craig, I agree with you – things aren't going to be perfect every time, but if no one is made aware of a problem, how can anyone expect it to be fixed?
For those who've shared their negative experiences, every one of our hospitals has a main telephone number, and if you call and ask for guest relations, you'll be able to talk to someone about your concerns.
Barnes-Jewish Hospital employs Patient Representatives, whose sole job is to serve as a liaison between patients and the hospital. You can contact a patient representative for concerns about your hospitalization, to discuss a special need, or to give a compliment about a hospital employee. You can reach a representative at the guest services office, 362-5196.
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Susan, this is kind of like my comment to Debbie, so please know I'm not trying to be rude, but when you've been dealt with shortly or in a disrespectful way, did you say anything? And I guess my real question is that if this had happened outside a hospital…say in a hotel or restaurant…would you have responded differently. I would actually like to recommend that this be a poll on this site to see how often we feel as if we weren't treated respectfully in a hospital, and how often we called it to someone's attention.
Comment By: Debbie Debbie
Date & Time: May 21, 2010 at 8:52 am
Craig, sure, in a hotel or restaurant, I would speak to someone if things weren't up to par. But, in a hospital setting, a patient is at the mercy of the caregivers. I did speak up on the first occasion when hours after my mastectomy a nurse was cuffing my affected arm to take my blood pressure as I had read that sticks or pressure could cause a chronic illness called lymphedema. I asked that they put a sign over my bed reminding nurses. The very next day, I was wide awake. A different nurse came in and proceeded to cuff the same affected arm. Did they not know why I was in the hospital?? Anyway.. when you're not well, it's exhausting trying to take care of yourself. And Tiffany, if there were a card next to my bed with the guest service number to call, I didn't see one. Again, I wasn't feeling up to complaining.
Comment By: Craig Stevens
Date & Time: May 21, 2010 at 9:02 am
so here is a gold nugget if someone in hospitals wanted to use it. how hard can it really be to standardize the way nurses and doctors interact with patients. We do it in every other aspect of society. If you are rude, or flippant in a hotel you will be fired. plain and simple. it's not rocket science. And debbie, I couldn't agree more that the hospital is the one place where you shouldn't have to "look out for yourself." But it's still probably one of the places where you should do it the most. I think it could be fixed if the right people actually saw the problem.
Comment By: Chris Peters
Date & Time: May 21, 2010 at 11:22 am
Craig,
I believe much of the rudeness we are becoming involved in and becoming aware of in our society, is a direct result of the abundance of chemicals in the everyday diet of average people..THESE CHEMICALS ARE IN EVERY PROCESSED, CANNED AND PACKAGED FOOD OFFERED FOR US TO EAT ….We are ingesting just in diet alone, as many as 10-20 chemicls a day, AND POSSIBLY MORE, according to how much of any product ingested.
That is not taking into consideration the any additonal ingestion of medication by the DRUG PROTOCOL OF AMERICAW MEDICINE..
Then, of course, in society, we have to deal with drug ab. statistics some time ago stated that medical professionals have a high incidence of drug abuse because of the easy accessability of such…
Let's mention the drinking water….it has in it every drug the entire greater vacinity has ingested…We get that in the water we get from the tap…
The waste cleaning process leaves the most drugs in the water system….Drink more water and GET YOUR DRUGS FOR THE DAY??? WE ARE BECOMING DRUG ADDICTS WHETHER WE KNOW IT OR NOT….Drink distilled water only….You will feel better…(it is the only process that takes all bad stuff out, according to a retired chemist I know.)
I am afraid this RUDENESS TREND will continue to grow…Society's behavior is definetely affected BY THE FOOD AND WATER CONTAMINATION. Much of Europe is banning the use of chemicals in the growing and processing of their foods…
The rudeness issue is another reason to promote less DRUG PROTOCOL AND MORE PREVENTIVE AND ALTERNATIVE HEALTHCARE..IT WILL ULTIMATELY SAVE OUR HEALTH SYSTEM MONEY…AND SAVE OUR GOVERNMENT MONEY, AS WELL…(lets not mention saving people, for the current medical system does not really address this adequately)
THE 48 HEALTHIER NATIONS THAN AMERICA USING PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE, AND ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.. SPEND A LOT LESS MONEY ON HEALTHCARE……DO NOT EAT AS MANY CHEMICAL IN THEIR DIETS, AND DO NOT DIRTY THEIR DRINKING WATER AS MUCH WITH DRUGS….. AND SURELY, HAPPIER PEOPLE ARE LESS RUDE…….
Comment By: Chris Peters
Date & Time: May 21, 2010 at 11:48 am
Oh, Craig, I forgot to mention the Monosodium Glutimate… A flavor enhancer..It is also a Nuerotoxin..It is mood altering chemical as it changes the normal brain pattern electro charges??? (used to be just meat tenderizer)
It is now in every flavoring in our prepared, processed foods..Food Chemist make anything taste like anything else….
Butter flavor…NOT REALLY BUTTER…
WINTERGREEN FLAVOR….not really wintergreen…. Watch out for it…
When it is states other flavorings…watch out…It is Monosodium Glutimate.
And the chemical UN-Sugars….A CHEMIST SAID NOT TO USE ANY OF THEM AS A SWEETNER, BUT, IF YOU HAD ANTS….IT WOULD KILL THEM……A PESTICIDE????
Do you think this stuff could be adding to the mood changes and rudeness in our society.??